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John van der Vuurst Intresting. But for me it is easy, God cannot be playing dice, since I do not believe God created the universe (nope... I am not saying that God does not exist, I only do not believe in the creation). However I think the universe and all phenomenon in it, from black holes via time dilation to quantum mechanics, is so wonderful, so mysterious, that I understand that some people claim that a divinity was at work, but I doubt if what we call God can be listening to all our prayers, keeping note of all who deserve to be taken into the kingdom and on the other hand be the creator of the complete universe??? That is like asking a professor emeritus in English Literature to give lessons in writing the letters of the alphabet in first grade....
No I believe that the beauty and mystic of the universe and QM goes far beyond what we call God....
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Alex Iskold To me the non-existence of Judea-christianic god is obvious. It is highly adapted and filtered concept.
Tis does not mean the universe did not intelligent creator.
Yet even more facinating is the universe itself and the rules that govern it. Creator or not, we are still presented with a giant puzzle that we have been trying to solve.
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John van der Vuurst @David and @Alex... In my previous reaction I dare not to state that "God could not have been playing dice, since God did not exist", just to have respect for those believing.
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John van der Vuurst @Alex, I party go with your statement. The universe (and maybe a multiverse or multibranes), is one giant puzzle which we as tiny (in relation to the size of the universe) people try to solve. We do not even know if we see (or maybe even can of ever be able to see) all the pieces of the puzzle....
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Cherry Goodhead @Alex, honey! *Kiss* Let's say that the universe IS deterministic; however, being determined (Self-determined in the case of the entire Universe) is an on-going process, so it's non-(finally)deterministic in the sense of being as yet uncompleted. (Incomplete but possibly completable with our conscious participation?) What do you think?
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Alex Iskold @Cherry_GoodHead well that applies to any program really. What you stated is a Turing's version of incompleteness theorem, and I don't think that it is a big worry or that it is weird.
It means that in order to know the outcome you have to observe it is one thing, but to say that you may observe different outcome every time is quite different.
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Cherry Goodhead @ Alex_Iskold, honey! *Kiss* Please read this Many-Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics: [ plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-manyworlds/ ] From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. To quote from the introduction: "The existence of the other worlds makes it possible to remove randomness and action at a distance from quantum theory and thus from all physics. " The removal of randomness should take care of your cavils, shouldn't it?
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Flatworm Milkshake Perhaps the universe is both deterministic and non-deterministic at the same time...at least that sounds like a quantum-mechanics-ish answer
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